Many missiles in ACE use intentionally incorrect caliber values to work around a limitation in the shell customization system. The MinProjLength = Caliber * 1. rule, designed for gun shells, forces missiles to have unrealistically large warheads when real caliber values are used. Hense why there's potential balancing issues?
So initially it started off with me noticing RDC's fix for caliber size, I noticed the mismatch between real values and what we have and now I dug in.
I used search and math to figure out how much buk missile would carry the explosion, so here is the aftermath:
Given:
Warhead mass: 62-70 kg
Missile diameter: 38cm (radius = 19cm)
Warhead type: HE-Frag (explosive + steel casing)
Typical densities:
Pure HE explosive: ~1.7 g/cm³
Steel fragmentation casing: ~7.8 g/cm³
Combined warhead assembly: ~2.5-3.5 g/cm³
Volume calculation (using 3.0 g/cm³):
For 70kg warhead:
Volume = 70,000g ÷ 3.0 g/cm³ = 23,333 cm³
Cylinder: Volume = π × r² × h
23,333 = π × (19)² × h
23,333 = 1,134 × h
h ≈ 20.6 cm
For 62kg warhead:
Volume = 62,000g ÷ 3.0 g/cm³ = 20,667 cm³
h ≈ 18.2 cm
Answer
A real BUK warhead takes approximately 18-25cm of length.
The issue looks like this:
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Missile File Cal Real MaxLen MinProj RealMin %Used Real% Status
MGM-166 missile_atgm.lua 16.2 16.2 1.0 24.3 24.3 2430.0 % 2430.0 % OK
R-60 AAM missile_aam.lua 12.0 12.0 19.0 18.0 18.0 94.7 % 94.7 % OK
Scaled Mk13 Torp missile_mininaval.lua 15.0 57.0 100.0 22.5 85.5 22.5 % 85.5 % ⚠️ FAKE
Mk13 Torp missile_naval.lua 15.0 57.0 100.0 22.5 85.5 22.5 % 85.5 % ⚠️ FAKE
AIM-54 AAM missile_aam.lua 20.0 51.4 93.7 30.0 77.1 32.0 % 82.3 % ⚠️ FAKE
Strela-1 SAM missile_sam.lua 12.0 12.0 22.0 18.0 18.0 81.8 % 81.8 % OK
R-77 AAM missile_aam.lua 20.0 20.0 37.0 30.0 30.0 81.1 % 81.1 % OK
R-33 AAM missile_aam.lua 20.0 38.0 72.3 30.0 57.0 41.5 % 78.8 % ⚠️ FAKE
MICA AAM missile_aam.lua 16.0 16.0 30.7 24.0 24.0 78.2 % 78.2 % OK
R-27 AAM missile_aam.lua 23.0 23.0 48.0 34.5 34.5 71.9 % 71.9 % OK
Magic AAM missile_aam.lua 15.7 15.7 33.3 23.5 23.5 70.7 % 70.7 % OK
StarstreakHVM missile_sam.lua 6.6 6.6 15.0 9.9 9.9 66.0 % 66.0 % OK
VT-1 SAM missile_sam.lua 16.5 16.5 38.0 24.8 24.8 65.1 % 65.1 % OK
AIM-120 AAM missile_aam.lua 17.8 17.8 41.0 26.7 26.7 65.1 % 65.1 % OK
R-73 AAM missile_aam.lua 10.0 16.5 40.2 15.0 24.8 37.3 % 61.6 % ⚠️ FAKE
AS-30 ASM missile_asm.lua 34.0 34.2 85.0 51.0 51.3 60.0 % 60.4 % ⚠️ FAKE
Mistral SAM missile_sam.lua 9.0 9.0 23.0 13.5 13.5 58.7 % 58.7 % OK
TY-90 AAM missile_sam.lua 9.0 9.0 23.0 13.5 13.5 58.7 % 58.7 % OK
9M331 SAM missile_sam.lua 15.0 15.0 40.0 22.5 22.5 56.2 % 56.2 % OK
Meteor AAM missile_aam.lua 17.8 17.8 50.0 26.7 26.7 53.4 % 53.4 % OK
Scaled AGM-84 Harpoon missile_mininaval.lua 34.0 34.3 100.0 51.0 51.4 51.0 % 51.4 % ⚠️ FAKE
AGM-84 Harpoon missile_naval.lua 34.0 34.3 100.0 51.0 51.4 51.0 % 51.4 % ⚠️ FAKE
AIM-9 AAM missile_aam.lua 12.7 12.7 37.3 19.0 19.0 51.1 % 51.1 % OK
Scaled 9M317ME SAM missile_mininaval.lua 20.0 38.0 111.8 30.0 57.0 26.8 % 51.0 % ⚠️ FAKE
9M317ME SAM missile_naval.lua 20.0 38.0 111.8 30.0 57.0 26.8 % 51.0 % ⚠️ FAKE
AIM-7 AAM missile_aam.lua 20.3 20.3 62.0 30.5 30.5 49.1 % 49.1 % OK
Mk54 Torp missile_naval.lua 7.5 32.4 100.0 11.2 48.6 11.2 % 48.6 % ⚠️ FAKE
Scaled Black Shark Torp missile_mininaval.lua 15.0 53.3 175.0 22.5 79.9 12.9 % 45.7 % ⚠️ FAKE
Black Shark Torp missile_naval.lua 15.0 53.3 175.0 22.5 79.9 12.9 % 45.7 % ⚠️ FAKE
S-24 ASR missile_uar.lua 24.0 24.0 80.0 36.0 36.0 45.0 % 45.0 % OK
9M38M1 SAM missile_sam.lua 20.0 33.0 111.8 30.0 49.5 26.8 % 44.3 % ⚠️ FAKE
AT-2 ASM missile_atgm.lua 16.0 16.0 55.0 24.0 24.0 43.6 % 43.6 % OK
Scaled 5V55 SAM missile_mininaval.lua 20.0 51.4 177.5 30.0 77.1 16.9 % 43.4 % ⚠️ FAKE
5V55 SAM missile_sam.lua 20.0 51.4 177.5 30.0 77.1 16.9 % 43.4 % ⚠️ FAKE
Spike-LR ASM missile_atgm.lua 13.0 17.0 60.0 19.5 25.5 32.5 % 42.5 % ⚠️ FAKE
ATACMS RA missile_arty.lua 61.0 61.0 220.0 91.5 91.5 41.6 % 41.6 % OK
SRAAM AAM missile_aam.lua 10.0 16.5 62.0 15.0 24.8 24.2 % 39.9 % ⚠️ FAKE
Scaled 3M-54 Kalibr missile_mininaval.lua 53.3 53.3 220.0 79.9 79.9 36.3 % 36.3 % OK
3M-54 Kalibr missile_naval.lua 53.3 53.3 220.0 79.9 79.9 36.3 % 36.3 % OK
Scaled BGM-109 Tomahawk missile_mininaval.lua 35.6 51.8 220.0 53.3 77.7 24.2 % 35.3 % ⚠️ FAKE
BGM-109 Tomahawk missile_naval.lua 35.6 51.8 220.0 53.3 77.7 24.2 % 35.3 % ⚠️ FAKE
FIM-92 SAM missile_sam.lua 7.0 7.0 30.0 10.5 10.5 35.0 % 35.0 % OK
AT-3 ASM missile_atgm.lua 13.0 12.5 55.0 19.5 18.8 35.5 % 34.1 % ⚠️ FAKE
Scaled Storm Shadow ASM missile_mininaval.lua 35.6 48.0 220.0 53.3 72.0 24.2 % 32.7 % ⚠️ FAKE
Storm Shadow ASM missile_naval.lua 35.6 48.0 220.0 53.3 72.0 24.2 % 32.7 % ⚠️ FAKE
9M79-1 missile_arty.lua 65.0 65.0 300.0 97.5 97.5 32.5 % 32.5 % OK
Scaled G7a Torp missile_mininaval.lua 15.0 53.3 250.0 22.5 79.9 9.0 % 32.0 % ⚠️ FAKE
G7a Torp missile_naval.lua 15.0 53.3 250.0 22.5 79.9 9.0 % 32.0 % ⚠️ FAKE
RW61 RA missile_arty.lua 38.0 38.0 200.0 57.0 57.0 28.5 % 28.5 % OK
KH-23 ASM missile_asm.lua 27.5 27.5 150.0 41.2 41.2 27.5 % 27.5 % OK
KH-25 ASM missile_asm.lua 27.5 27.5 150.0 41.2 41.2 27.5 % 27.5 % OK
Zuni ASR missile_pod.lua 12.7 12.7 70.0 19.0 19.0 27.2 % 27.2 % OK
KH-29 ASM missile_asm.lua 38.0 38.0 220.0 57.0 57.0 25.9 % 25.9 % OK
AGM-88 ASM missile_asm.lua 25.4 25.4 150.0 38.1 38.1 25.4 % 25.4 % OK
RS82 ASR missile_uar.lua 8.2 8.2 50.0 12.3 12.3 24.6 % 24.6 % OK
KH-31 ASM missile_asm.lua 35.6 36.0 220.0 53.3 54.0 24.2 % 24.5 % ⚠️ FAKE
BGM-71E ASM missile_atgm.lua 13.0 15.2 105.0 19.5 22.8 18.6 % 21.7 % ⚠️ FAKE
9M133 ASM missile_atgm.lua 15.2 15.2 105.0 22.8 22.8 21.7 % 21.7 % OK
HVAR ASR missile_uar.lua 12.7 12.7 90.0 19.0 19.0 21.2 % 21.2 % OK
AGM-65 ASM missile_asm.lua 30.5 30.5 220.0 45.8 45.8 20.8 % 20.8 % OK
AGM-45 ASM missile_asm.lua 20.3 20.3 150.0 30.5 30.5 20.3 % 20.3 % OK
9M113 ATGM missile_atgm.lua 13.5 13.5 105.0 20.2 20.2 19.3 % 19.3 % OK
Ataka ASM missile_atgm.lua 13.0 13.0 105.0 19.5 19.5 18.6 % 18.6 % OK
Vikhr ASM missile_atgm.lua 13.0 13.0 105.0 19.5 19.5 18.6 % 18.6 % OK
AGM-114 ASM missile_atgm.lua 16.0 17.8 150.0 24.0 26.7 16.0 % 17.8 % ⚠️ FAKE
FGM-148 ASM missile_atgm.lua 12.7 12.7 110.0 19.0 19.0 17.3 % 17.3 % OK
M26 RA missile_arty.lua 22.7 22.7 210.0 34.0 34.0 16.2 % 16.2 % OK
M31 RA missile_arty.lua 22.7 22.7 210.0 34.0 34.0 16.2 % 16.2 % OK
MIM-146 missile_atgm.lua 15.2 15.2 145.0 22.8 22.8 15.7 % 15.7 % OK
SS-40 RA missile_arty.lua 18.0 18.0 180.0 27.0 27.0 15.0 % 15.0 % OK
500kgBOMB missile_bomb.lua 30.0 30.0 300.0 45.0 45.0 15.0 % 15.0 % OK
9M311 SAM missile_sam.lua 7.6 7.6 78.0 11.4 11.4 14.6 % 14.6 % OK
AGM-122 ASM missile_asm.lua 12.7 12.7 140.0 19.0 19.0 13.6 % 13.6 % OK
S8KO missile_pod.lua 8.0 8.0 90.0 12.0 12.0 13.3 % 13.3 % OK
70mmFFAR missile_pod.lua 7.0 7.0 90.0 10.5 10.5 11.7 % 11.7 % OK
40mmFFAR missile_pod.lua 4.0 4.0 60.0 6.0 6.0 10.0 % 10.0 % OK
SAKR-10 RA missile_arty.lua 12.2 12.2 210.0 18.3 18.3 8.7 % 8.7 % OK
GBU-39 missile_gbu.lua 10.0 19.0 350.0 15.0 28.5 4.3 % 8.1 % ⚠️ FAKE
Type 63 RA missile_arty.lua 10.7 10.7 200.0 16.0 16.0 8.0 % 8.0 % OK
WalleyeGBU missile_gbu.lua 31.8 31.8 600.0 47.7 47.7 8.0 % 8.0 % OK
Mk83Bomb missile_bomb.lua 17.0 35.6 830.0 25.5 53.4 3.1 % 6.4 % ⚠️ FAKE
454kgGBU missile_gbu.lua 17.0 35.6 830.0 25.5 53.4 3.1 % 6.4 % ⚠️ FAKE
1000kgBOMB missile_bomb.lua 30.0 30.0 700.0 45.0 45.0 6.4 % 6.4 % OK
Mk84Bomb missile_bomb.lua 20.0 45.7 1400.0 30.0 68.6 2.1 % 4.9 % ⚠️ FAKE
909kgGBU missile_gbu.lua 20.0 45.7 1400.0 30.0 68.6 2.1 % 4.9 % ⚠️ FAKE
Mk82Bomb missile_bomb.lua 10.5 27.3 850.0 15.8 41.0 1.9 % 4.8 % ⚠️ FAKE
227kgGBU missile_gbu.lua 10.5 27.3 850.0 15.8 41.0 1.9 % 4.8 % ⚠️ FAKE
SPG-9 ASR missile_uar.lua 7.3 7.3 240.0 10.9 10.9 4.6 % 4.6 % OK
FAB250-UPMP missile_gbu.lua 10.0 25.0 850.0 15.0 37.5 1.8 % 4.4 % ⚠️ FAKE
100kgBOMB missile_bomb.lua 10.0 10.0 400.0 15.0 15.0 3.8 % 3.8 % OK
100kgGBOMB missile_bomb.lua 10.0 10.0 400.0 15.0 15.0 3.8 % 3.8 % OK
250kgBOMB missile_bomb.lua 12.5 12.5 750.0 18.8 18.8 2.5 % 2.5 % OK
250kgGBOMB missile_bomb.lua 12.5 12.5 750.0 18.8 18.8 2.5 % 2.5 % OK
50kgBOMB missile_bomb.lua 5.0 5.0 600.0 7.5 7.5 1.2 % 1.2 % OK
Please check the script below (in the attachments), let's figure it out
Created via ACE Dev Board by KemGus
Original Task: https://acegmod.com/dev/board?task=449e970e-0b42-43d3-bd4d-9f52b216ea59
Many missiles in ACE use intentionally incorrect caliber values to work around a limitation in the shell customization system. The
MinProjLength = Caliber * 1. rule, designed for gun shells, forces missiles to have unrealistically large warheads when real caliber values are used. Hense why there's potential balancing issues?So initially it started off with me noticing RDC's fix for caliber size, I noticed the mismatch between real values and what we have and now I dug in.
I used search and math to figure out how much buk missile would carry the explosion, so here is the aftermath:
The issue looks like this:
Please check the script below (in the attachments), let's figure it out
Created via ACE Dev Board by KemGus
Original Task: https://acegmod.com/dev/board?task=449e970e-0b42-43d3-bd4d-9f52b216ea59